Long belated introduction (my apologies!). I’ve actually spent a lot of time in this slack space before using a different email (my work email). I started with Pants during a POC at my day job. I joined under this email because I’m working on some side projects with an engineering design and consulting company my good friend started. I’m primarily helping them nail down their software engineering workflows and build systems, and immediately recommended pants because it’s pretty rad and also supports a lot of pretty common languages. My hope is I can build an extensible, reusable software engineering workflow around pants that they can use (with perhaps some minor modifications) for all their software projects, regardless of the language.

Welcome! Nashua -> Bristol -> Goffstown -> flew the coop. I miss Pawtuckaway and Fall on the Kanc.

Heyo! I thought your name looked familiar for some reason. I see you’re a climber, and now I think I know why your name looked so familiar! I think I’ve seen your name in some guidebooks! Did you put up some routes around NH? Or at least post on mountain project on some NH area?

I did! Dean and I started climbing in 1988 while attending Goffstown High Sophomore year.

Dean Potter?!

Yup

DUDE

Heh.

Nice! That’s funny I was just there for a company offsite, never got a chance to do any climbing tho. Jealous of the new spot, can’t throw a stone in Vegas without hitting some good climbing. But just like all outdoor activities in NH, the getting can be good if you’re willing to work for it 😜

The weather though. I went back 2 falls ago and 5 falls ago and got 60-70% rain.

Yeah, it can be a struggle. Winters are getting much worse too in the sense that there is a lot of rain and little snow, ski season this year has been a real bummer. I’ve been thinking about making moves the last few months, probably for the same reasons you did

Dikenstein refuge two falls ago: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DKEZksMbJ8VSpi3z7

Looks like new england! I’ve never been to this area though, where is it at? I wonder how many cool climbing spots have gone back to nature since you were in the area …

Sundown Ledge on the Kanc. It has this wall and a cave / mega roof that stay dry in the rain.

Dam I can’t believe I’m talking to a true OG of the NH climbing scene 😆. Ethics have changed a lot since those days it seems, people aren’t as hesitant to bolt liberally (not that I’m complaining) as far as I can tell. Maybe attitudes are a little different as you go farther north though, I live down in Manchester and do most of my climbing in Pawtuckaway, Rumney, and a few little southerly crags here and there. Spent some time wandering around the Mt. Molly near Alton/Merrymeeting lake a couple weeks back trying to find some old climbing areas that have seen little activity on mountain project. My parents just moved up there to retire so wanted to find some good climbing in the area. You wouldn’t happen to know anything about that area would ya? Does Devil’s Den ring any bells? Managed to find one mossy crag with some bolts that needs a little love, but I think I missed the good crags. Plan to go back in the spring when it’s a bit easier to get around.

No, I didn't explore the Winnipesaukee region while there. More NW of Goffstown with weird stuff out towards Sunapee. A very good bouldering cave with some roof finger-locks that I recall. The recentish Tom Randal Kraken? problem, though way way harder, brought back memories of it.

very curious what your old haunts were around goffstown. I know of one awesome little (poorly kept secret) crag in goffstown off the powerlines that is great for a quick morning/after work session, but that’s about all I know of.

That's where Dean and I 1st climbed. Sunday he came over (I lived on Tibbets Hill Road right next to those power lines) to finish a pair chemistry lab we writeup we had due. We didn't get that done, but did get some climbing done in New Balance waffle racers (we were both on XC team).

Hah! What a story! RIP Dean, the guy was an absolute legend. Hate to fan boy but you both have full on hero status around here. I’ve heard stories of you both climbing at Joe English. I think the air base has gotten pretty intense about shooing people away, but I haven’t tried myself. Rock Rimmon looks fun but it’s a mess. There is trash everywhere, broken glass in the holds, people tossing s**t of the top all the time. If it weren’t for that I’d be there all the time it’s 5 minutes from where I live.

I have a few scars on my palm from Rock Rimmon glass. It has been there a good long time!

Oh yeah Pawtuckaway is well explored territory at this point. People from all over New England go there to climb, can actually get kind of busy but its a cool scene. Pretty sure Overlooked is in the official guidebook now 😅

Well, there you go. Its pretty damn unique. I was stoked to find it.

Hah! Thanks. I’m actually really excited about the work you all are doing on Pants and build tooling in general. It’s been a joy to use for my current side project, looking forward to many more.

Ok, great. Yeah you and @wide-midnight-78598 should talk next week.

Oh perfect, looking forward to chatting. Happy to be a guinea pig for experimental stuff, and possibly help with some implementation work (depending somewhat on if I can convince my buddy to pay me for it 😜). I’ve dove into the Pants plugin API a little bit, never done anything serious with it though

Whelp, I can provide some entirely non-climbing related addition to this conversation. My climbing and bouldering skills are not exactly top shelf :) My workflow is/was largely C/C++ embedded and I’ve been using pants for a whole bunch of straight-forward, first party code (though, if you’re working on an STM32 or NRF52/53, I’d !!HIGHLY!! recommend using Rust + Embassy - my life has ++’d on this last project, even as I’m learning Rust along the way). Still some wild low level regressions that are being uncovered (e.g. yesterday my colleague ran into a 4 vs 8 byte alignment bug in one of the Rust Cortex-M libs 🤯). Anyways, I was splitting out my first-party Pants compilation plugin, but I’ve been sidetracked for a while with some client work. Discussion here: https://github.com/pantsbuild/pants/discussions/15499 I’d appreciate any help if you’ve got bandwidth - it’s not that far away, just completely swamped for the past month and a half. Tobias has a JS draft PR that’s in progress, which basically delegates to JS tooling, so that’s pretty sweet too. Discussion here: https://github.com/pantsbuild/pants/discussions/17357

Welcome! I got an ominous mental image from the phrase "5 falls ago" in the context of climbing.

I mean, 5 falls ago was closer to 500 falls ago.