so... it occurs to me (very late, unfortunately), ...
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witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 7:59 PMso... it occurs to me (very late, unfortunately), that it might literally have been easier to embed and ship a python interpreter that it was to get everything cross built across 6 python builds
witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 8:00 PMwe'd need to switch the distribution model for pants to "self contained executable"... but that's definitely a thing that we've discussed. and we now know where it could go (just in github releases)
witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 8:01 PMthis is sortof a followup to https://github.com/pantsbuild/pants/issues/4896
witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 8:08 PMopened https://github.com/pantsbuild/pants/issues/7369 , because i don't think we were tracking it yet.
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aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 8:25 PMi think this might also be more in line with the way we provide things like compilers
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 8:25 PMand also allows us to maybe steal ideas from facebook's xar, which doesn't need to exist
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 8:31 PMi think this is just a really really extremely good idea actually
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 8:32 PMespecially because we can do whatever we want with the interpreter
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witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 8:32 PMyea.
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hundreds-father-404
03/12/2019, 10:01 PMThis sounds cool. Good idea.
Any concerns about bundle size if we’re shipping our own interpreter? I suppose with us targeting enterprise a small download size isn’t a big priority?
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aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:02 PMi mean, people have to download python to e.g. their docker images already, so this could replace that, which is maybe cool
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:03 PMi don't know what use cases would need a smaller bundle size and what that provides
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:03 PMi'm not against it at all i just want to know
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hundreds-father-404
03/12/2019, 10:04 PMOnly anecdotal experience that my 20 GB Ubuntu VM I have specifically for Pants dev and nothing else frequently complains about running out of space. I think that’s much more an issue with space leaks than with our download bundle size, but has been top of my mind.
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witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 10:05 PMthe OSX python installer is 27 MB. i'm guessing it's larger on Linux (since our rust binary is as well), but: not insurmountable probably.
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aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:05 PMi think that's because of writes to
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hundreds-father-404
03/12/2019, 10:06 PM@aloof-angle-91616 it was mostly that iirc when I used Ubuntu’s disk cleaner
@witty-crayon-22786 okay 27 MB is totally reasonable IMO. Won’t post about this on issue because I don’t think that’s worth spending time fretting over. Thanks!
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aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:06 PMah ok
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:06 PMthanks
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:07 PMthanks for raising this stu, getting hung up over sunk costs are what make things break down
aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:07 PMnot clear if it's definitely 100% the best idea ever but i think this is a good line of investigation
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witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 10:09 PMthere is a lot to be figured out, so i'll take back how i started the thread: definitely not easier to make this switch than to cross-publish.
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witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 10:10 PMbut desirable nonetheless
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aloof-angle-91616
03/12/2019, 10:20 PMmaybe not easier upfront
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witty-crayon-22786
03/12/2019, 10:20 PMyea.
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red-balloon-89377
03/13/2019, 12:12 PMI know I’m late to the party and everything, but I wanted to express my emphatic support for this line of investigation.