The macos wheel build thread leads me to believe that we should start pushing hard on scie-pants. Which as far as I can tell just means loudly advocating for people to try it, and make it trivial to do so.

For

brew install

support on Macs (and Linux, for those who use brew in that setting): Seeing the hoops and hurdles to overcome in order for a pants brew formula in homebrew core, I think we’ll have greater success with a custom tap. To that end, given you agree, may I get a new repo set up?

pantsbuild/homebrew-pants

please and thank you 🙂 This would give an install syntax when using

brew

of:

brew tap pantsbuild/pants
brew install pants

Ugh.

Yeah, please not source!: https://github.com/pantsbuild/homebrew-pants

yea, one of the points with going with a custom tap is to be able to use our already built binaries!

You mac people are all crazy. Do as you fit! I can rename if you want. I'm just a button clicking monkey here.

🤪 ok, let’s be prepared for housing more stuff here, so for me then, renaming it to

homebrew-tap

would make sense..

Maybe one thing at a time?

yes, but let’s try to get the name right now any way…

Or at all?

maybe “need” isn’t the right word? 😛 but it’s a convenient alternative.

but, many formulaes are maintained by not the authorative projects… (e.g. it’s community contributed/maintained)

@happy-kitchen-89482 Related: https://github.com/pantsbuild/scie-pants/issues/57

so the idea here is that we’d not take brew on as Pants maintainers but as Pants community members… but getting it into brew core seemed like a no-go for us… then having a custom tap makes more sense under the pantsbuild umbrella rather than a new place/home..

@happy-kitchen-89482 there was a whole conversation about rust seems to be fine without. I totally agree, but @wide-midnight-78598 and others do not like that.

brew

is like my App store for the cli… 🤪

brew

is like my App store for the cli

[quietly steals that quote]

@curved-television-6568 I'll let @happy-kitchen-89482 change the name to homebrew-tap as solid proof this conversation is converging amongst a wider set.

adding to the 🔥 we’ve got going here…

brew tap thought-machine/please
brew install please

https://please.build/quickstart.html

I assume some later - no need to tap anymore! - is just fine. I.E.: forward progress,

So, discussed in length elsewhere, but I think the idea is - if we have standalone binaries, it would be "nice" to let people install them how they prefer if possible (brew, apt, dnf, etc down the road). I like that all the stuff I install is neatly located in a configured location, with correct permissions, correct backups (or not), etc - which is why I use brew. It's actually a small annoyance that rustup defaults to my home directory, as I start getting more garbage that I don't want in my time machine backups

So, one thing to point out, is that all the important heft will still be in your home dir unless I missed where the brew thing was re-directing SCIE_BASE.

brew installs to

/opt/homebrew/Cellar/

by default…

I'm just pointing out, that if part of SJ's concern is lots of stuff in home going to time machine, that problem is not solved since scie-pants is a thin scie - ~7MB - so your tap does save that - but its in the noise since that expands to ~50MB under the home dir in

~/Library/Caches/nce

when it fetches things. And that gets continually worse with each Pants version installed / used for the repos cloned on the machine.

Ah… I’m not well versed in the brew possibilities here either.. regardless of where it lives, it would be nice with an easy way to clean it up once in a while.. (or for old/unused versions)

Yeah, so you two have alot of talking to do.

🙏

Anything with

caches

usually gets relegated to no-backup. By home dir, I mean

~/.cargo

,

~/.android

, and 53 other dot folders in my home dir that aren't related to zsh or ssh. 🤦‍♂️

Aha, gotcha. I know you like using brew - so not touching that. But is ~/bin free from backup / even on your PATH? That's where scie-pants installs to by default if you use the script.

Script?

I'm fine with it all, but I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves here perhaps... The more ways there are to install this the more ways there are for something to go wrong

This is the whole curl script thing you don't want to use. I'm just gauging if ~/bin is a thing for homebrew devotees.

Never used

/bin

before - homebrew I think defaults to

/usr/local/bin

We don;t need to advertise - or something

Sorry, typo - I meant tilde

Ok. That's pretty common across unix OS's but clearly not pervasive. Good to know.

I guess I put them in the same place on Mac as on linux, now that I think about it

I put my custom personal scripts there

Nah, I can't go that far. I have a

qol

repo (quality of life) , which I pull down - and that's linked by my zsh scripts or whatever. So for mac, one source of data, and I just need to copy the main zshrc over on a new computer

And so you add <some clone dir>/bin to your PATH instead of ~/bin

Yeah, in my development directory, which houses all the things basically.

OT: I use MacPorts instead of homebrew. Ideally I would be able to use gentoo prefix on my Mac, but I haven’t had time to fix that project yet. 🤷

oh, what’s gentoo prefix? haven’t played with gentoo since… 2006 maybe 😁 so I know about

emerge

I think the package manager was called..?

My personal laptop is gentoo. I’ve been running gentoo since… I don’t know, maybe 2001-2002?

wait what… you’d get a linux box on Mac with that!?

Gentoo can run (or used to be able to run, not sure if it still does) with a FreeBSD kernel. It’s an os-agnostic os.

oh, how did I not know that… 😮

Some ebuilds need changes to handle building packages in different environments. But, anyway, I’m a gentoo fan 😄

I really like it too, although not used it for ages… this makes me wanna spin it up again

So, when looking at prior art for how to cross-compile stuff, Gentoo has been doing that for a long time. Cross compilation, compiling for multiple kernels, building all sorts of languages from source with many different toolchains … A lot of it is probably out-of-scope for pants, but it can definitely provide inspiration and prior-art.

@happy-kitchen-89482 If we do this rename, the install incantation would become:

brew install pantsbuild/tap/pants

To me, reads slightly better to not have 3 “pants” in the name.. https://pantsbuild.slack.com/archives/C0D7TNJHL/p1673829577460279?thread_ts=1673792427.329169&amp;cid=C0D7TNJHL

I don't understand what needs renaming?

"pantsbuild/pants/pants"

the github repo

I'd be open to

brew install pantsbuild/pannnnnnnttttttttssssss

for clarity

pantsbuild/homebrew-pants -> pantsbuild/homebrew-tap (for instance.. unless you have a better suggestion)

Oh I see. Totally fine with that!

question is if we want

tap

there, or

tools

,

bin

etc..?

tap

is fine, this is a homebrew specific thing right?

yeah

pantsbuild/tap/pants seems like a great name then

There’s now a brew tap for installing Pants on MacOS:

brew install pantsbuild/tap/pants

Hey @curved-television-6568 I did the docker thing and after installing brew via the Homebrew instructions - it works, i.e.:

jsirois@4f808a930e7c:~$ brew install ascii
==> Fetching ascii
==> Downloading <https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/ascii/manifests/3.18>
######################################################################## 100.0%
==> Downloading <https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/ascii/blobs/sha256:31952089908444514e2e97d6d7a325d52136f8d7c8297210045a04608bf49ae8>
==> Downloading from <https://pkg-containers.githubusercontent.com/ghcr1/blobs/sha256:31952089908444514e2e97d6d7a325d52136f8d7c8297210045a04608bf49ae8?se=2023-01-24T20%3A20%3A00Z&sig=%2FIAsxvjXiG%2B9ycYl%2B9mzR6>
######################################################################## 100.0%
==> Pouring ascii--3.18.x86_64_linux.bottle.tar.gz
🍺  /home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/Cellar/ascii/3.18: 7 files, 82.2KB
==> Running `brew cleanup ascii`...
Disable this behaviour by setting HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALL_CLEANUP.
Hide these hints with HOMEBREW_NO_ENV_HINTS (see `man brew`).
jsirois@4f808a930e7c:~$ ascii
Usage: ascii [-adxohv] [-t] [char-alias...]
   -t = one-line output  -a = vertical format
   -d = Decimal table  -o = octal table  -x = hex table  -b binary table
   -h = This help screen -v = version information
Prints all aliases of an ASCII character. Args may be chars, C \-escapes,
English names, ^-escapes, ASCII mnemonics, or numerics in decimal/octal/hex.

Dec Hex    Dec Hex    Dec Hex  Dec Hex  Dec Hex  Dec Hex   Dec Hex   Dec Hex
  0 00 NUL  16 10 DLE  32 20    48 30 0  64 40 @  80 50 P   96 60 `  112 70 p
  1 01 SOH  17 11 DC1  33 21 !  49 31 1  65 41 A  81 51 Q   97 61 a  113 71 q
  2 02 STX  18 12 DC2  34 22 "  50 32 2  66 42 B  82 52 R   98 62 b  114 72 r
  3 03 ETX  19 13 DC3  35 23 #  51 33 3  67 43 C  83 53 S   99 63 c  115 73 s
  4 04 EOT  20 14 DC4  36 24 $  52 34 4  68 44 D  84 54 T  100 64 d  116 74 t
  5 05 ENQ  21 15 NAK  37 25 %  53 35 5  69 45 E  85 55 U  101 65 e  117 75 u
  6 06 ACK  22 16 SYN  38 26 &  54 36 6  70 46 F  86 56 V  102 66 f  118 76 v
  7 07 BEL  23 17 ETB  39 27 '  55 37 7  71 47 G  87 57 W  103 67 g  119 77 w
  8 08 BS   24 18 CAN  40 28 (  56 38 8  72 48 H  88 58 X  104 68 h  120 78 x
  9 09 HT   25 19 EM   41 29 )  57 39 9  73 49 I  89 59 Y  105 69 i  121 79 y
 10 0A LF   26 1A SUB  42 2A *  58 3A :  74 4A J  90 5A Z  106 6A j  122 7A z
 11 0B VT   27 1B ESC  43 2B +  59 3B ;  75 4B K  91 5B [  107 6B k  123 7B {
 12 0C FF   28 1C FS   44 2C ,  60 3C <  76 4C L  92 5C \  108 6C l  124 7C |
 13 0D CR   29 1D GS   45 2D -  61 3D =  77 4D M  93 5D ]  109 6D m  125 7D }
 14 0E SO   30 1E RS   46 2E .  62 3E >  78 4E N  94 5E ^  110 6E n  126 7E ~
 15 0F SI   31 1F US   47 2F /  63 3F ?  79 4F O  95 5F _  111 6F o  127 7F DEL
jsirois@4f808a930e7c:~$

But for pants I get:

jsirois@4f808a930e7c:~$ brew install pantsbuild/tap/pants
Warning: No available formula with the name "pantsbuild/tap/pants".

Is there any special setup needed to have things like this work you're aware of?

Ah.. hmm. no. only thing that comes to mind to try is

brew install --cask pantsbuild/tap/pants

failing that, maybe casks isn’t supported on Linux.. only source formulas..? 😬 (or I’m missing something, haven’t read up on this too much, just noticed linux references floating around while digging into this)

Aha, ok - that helped:

jsirois@4f808a930e7c:~$ brew install --cask pantsbuild/tap/pants
Error: Invalid `--cask` usage: Casks do not work on Linux

yea, good to know. Thanks for checking 🙏

yea… I’m in the camp now of brew being crazy.. 😉

Heh.

gotta start somewhere…

Hurts my soul.