#general
- b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:55 AMe.g. we never allow users/target machines to compile their own dependencies; we always provide binary compatible wheels - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:55 AMI'm all for normalization simple smile - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:55 AMIn this case you're seeing the regular python developer issue of "I have a source dependency that wants to compile itself on my platform, but it wants headers to compile against python" - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:56 AMThat seems reasonable, I just wish errors weren't swallowed so the actual error was obvious 😕 - r
rough-minister-58256
09/10/2015, 3:56 AMweird - I’ve never had to install anything special on yosemite to get psutil to build - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:56 AMAgreed - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:56 AMOur bootstrapping should expose the actual error - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:56 AMOk yeah, pulling in python-dev avoided that one. - r
rough-minister-58256
09/10/2015, 3:56 AMI do use wickmans bootstrap_python.sh tho which may provide the bits in python-dev inherently - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:57 AM@rough-minister-58256: I think on Yosemite that one is dodged, but on vanilla CentOS/Ubuntu they don't have python-dev[el] installed - r
rough-minister-58256
09/10/2015, 3:57 AMah - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:57 AMI do think that if you want to encourage folks hacking casually on pants, making sure it "just works" out of the box is probably important. Compared to other build systems that 'just work' when you check them out and try to hack them. - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:57 AMSo that casual folk can focus on the change they want to make. simple smile - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:57 AMYup - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:58 AMThat's one of our big items to get fixed before 1.0.0 - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:58 AMIn my case i"m only half-casual in that I need it for work, but it's not something I'm officially staffed on, so I'll suffer through whatever the initial hump is simple smile - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:58 AMOur attention is dominated by big shops with existing bootstrapping experience at this point, so it's easy for us to miss - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:58 AMIn particular - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:58 AMCould you please open a github issue mentioning this? - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 3:59 AMYeah, will do right now. - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:59 AMAnything between vanilla Ubuntu and a clean install of pants and/or dev install of pants is a proper issue - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 3:59 AMAnd should be either in docs or exposed more readably in error output - r
rough-minister-58256
09/10/2015, 4:00 AM+1 - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 4:01 AM - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 4:02 AMThanks! - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 4:05 AMI'll note down further steps required for me on ubuntu 14 in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LyqZweF0I8XBgN6u9-VFZTPFLolJWQmzlgeFufa77Tw/edit - b
bored-art-40741
09/10/2015, 4:05 AMMuch appreciated - e
enough-analyst-54434
09/10/2015, 4:06 AMNoting that your google doc mentions stuf mentioned here: https://github.com/pantsbuild/pants#requirements - e
enough-analyst-54434
09/10/2015, 4:07 AMI do think us having recipes for ubuntu, centos, osx would be good though - c
cuddly-accountant-94274
09/10/2015, 4:07 AMThat is true. I've been spelunking the pantsbuild docs, but i glossed over the project README simple smile