We are reliable aren't we?

yes!

Then what the heck were your contradictory sentences about?

i apologize — i had not once ever thought we weren’t

There is no offense here, its just confusing. I feel like there are two of you talking.

i was just trying to make it clear that i personally want an environment where people feel like asking for a release schedule isn’t a “selfish” thing since it’s something that we provide

OK

i’m sorry for that. i just taught a class on “advanced pants” and i went home to lie down from nerves and my acuity with language is suffering

No worries, My language facilities are always suffering!

if i had a concern about the release schedule, i would have raised it eagerly in the appropriate channel, not in response to a request like this.

(thanks for talking this out john!)

Ditto. I was just taken aback by my misunderstanding of your sentences intents since it seemed to me like we releasing dev smoothly and well for ~5 years now. I knew we still had issues with stable releases being smooth and regular - but not dev. Gotcha!

100% agreed! i swear!

oh, i suppose i also believe that the process at twitter right now for getting a hotfix created for our internal pants in a timely manner isn’t always clear to other engineers contributing to pants at twitter and wanting to use their changes in the monorepo. but maybe even that’s fine and i’m just not paying attention. but that was likely underlying my original phrasing

Yeah, I half suspected you were blurring Twitter and pantsbuild worlds.

this happened yesterday too, i wish slack had a splash screen that quickly displayed the workspace you were being sent to after clicking a notification before dropping you in the channel/thread.

but also, for the record, the original message wasn’t complaining about anything whatsoever, and was purely because i really really care about users not feeling selfish to ask things. it is important to me to make clear i am not the kind of person to turn a user request into some sort of negative remark, that wouldn’t be constructive at all and wasn’t my intention. sorry

one thing i'll say is: there are wheels built for every commit on master or on branches

and it sounds like toolchain would benefit from consuming those (as we have!)

howdy! i'm on release duty today, but will likely not start it until late.

Hi! I’m preparing 1.20.0 (finally! Sorry for the long wait), and I the release script can’t seem to find the packages, even though travis has finished: https://travis-ci.org/pantsbuild/pants/builds/591440839

[=== 00:22 Fetching prebuilt wheels for 1.20.0+git5fdbbd56 ===]
Failed to find prebuilt packages for:
  pantsbuild.pants
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.avro
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.awslambda_python
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.buildgen
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.codeanalysis
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.confluence
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.cpp
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.errorprone
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.findbugs
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.go
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.googlejavaformat
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.jax_ws
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.mypy
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.node
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.python.checks
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.python.checks.checker
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.scalajs
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.scrooge
  pantsbuild.pants.contrib.thrifty
  pantsbuild.pants.testinfra

Failed to release packages to PyPi.

Any idea what might be going on?

You need to wait for the build wheels shards

Ohhh, got it

I thought those were the frist two, but I also don’t quite understand the python 3rdparty model.

Thanks 🙂

The first two build stuff that will be used by the other shards

The “Build linux wheels” and “Build OSX wheels” shards then make stuff that gets published to pypi

Okay, so that’s stuff for others to consume. got it 🙂

i am on the weekly dev release rotation today - lmk if anyone is about to get something in which I should wait for